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^Although we would all hope for something else, it would be possible for the building to be converted into different facilities and for different uses. A gift shop, a theater, and a new restaurant could all fit into that space, and depending on how nice Cedar Fair felt, maybe even a small flat ride. I think this is the least likely possibility however.

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Of course, I'd still opt for a Scooby-Doo dark-ride instead without a walk-around character than no Scooby-Doo dark-ride of any kind.

 

Boy, that would be a tough choice for me, I think if I HAD to choose, I would pick having the walk around character…I LOVE him being at the front gate in the morning…and sometimes in the evenings. I know my older Nephew would pick the ride…but my younger one gets more out of the walk around Scooby.

 

And I like having a spooky type ride. And to be honest. You can't do that with the peanuts.

 

Oh, I don’t know about that…I know the first time I heard that CF might bring The Peanuts to Kings Island it scared me to death. :rolleyes:

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And I like having a spooky type ride. And to be honest. You can't do that with the peanuts.

 

Oh, I don’t know about that…I know the first time I heard that CF might bring The Peanuts to Kings Island it scared me to death. :rolleyes:

 

:lol:

As has been discussed in the past, it is a possibility that the attraction could be converted into a "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown!" ride. Or, not too different from the Garfield haunted house ride at Kennywood (which I've heard fails horribly), they could just incorporate Snoopy into a haunted house environment.

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Six Flags St. Louis has a Scooby themed dark ride. That being said what really keeps KI from retaining a scooby themed dark ride, we might just loose the scooby merchandise and walk around characters.

 

Yeah I posted a Topic about it Here

 

Nothing keeps Kings Island from retaining the Scooby Doo name. Kings Island doesn't license it, Sally Corp does. So they simply pay for the ride and as long as Sally keeps paying for Scooby, Kings Island keeps it (and I'm sure that if Sally opted to drop Scooby, they'd come in and do something or other with the rides, not just leave the parks hanging). So yes, Kings Island is free to keep the Scooby Doo ride. And even if the contract had expired, it's a license that undoubtedly isn't too expensive and really would mean a lot to Kings Island fans to keep... That's what so disheartening.

 

It was said on the In The Loop podcast or whatever that the dark rides will be altered for 2010. Closing, Snoopy retheme, or generic retheme, we don't know.

 

From what I was told when Scooby-Doo and The Haunted Castle first opened in 2003.Scooby-Doo and The Haunted Castle is through Sally Corp. they hold the contract and pay for it ..anyway I was told Kings Island/Sally Corp took out a ten year contract so the contract would end in 2013, of course I have heard here recently that in the summer of 2006 kings island/sally corp extended the scooby-doo contract well into 2020 but that's not confirmed. .. And this was before Cedar Fair bought the park chain.

 

What if the ride is "altered" by closing it? Seeing CFs track record, I think the theater where the clown haunt is, will become the Good Times Ice Theater, and the rest of the building will become the worlds largest Peanuts Emporium Gift Shop.

 

If Cedar Fair did that I would SERIOUSLY stop going and would never give money to Cedar Point or any Cedar Fair park again and I would cry and it would infuriate me ...right now that building is used for storage..I would like to see a dark ride themed around snoopy if anything I see the old Nick Theater being the place for the new Snoopy stage show and the ''Nick Shop'' or ''Animation Station'' being the Peanuts Shop.

 

Besides every great park needs a dark ride...

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What I'd like to see is for CF to change the entrance from where it's located to International Street between starbucks and the glass blowing shop. It could be made into an "adult" haunted castle with several rooms and indoor rides. Pehaps a tilt-a-whirl ride in the ball room, a glass maze in the catecombs, a trabant in the torture chamber, and a haunted boat ride to finish the tour.

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^I thought up how they could have an entrance into the building from that same space, but I'm personally not a fan of the haunted house type attraction. That area is currently storage, but it could easily be made into a gift shop, restaurant, theater, or anything else. Other parts of the building could also be used for it.

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You know I'd love to see a Snoopy themed dark ride I think that would be really cool.I like how in the Peanuts comic strips ..Snoopy daydreams as a writer and his opener on the typewriter is always It was a dark and stormy night. ...

 

 

I wonder if Cedar Fair could theme the ''Dark Ride'' around Snoopy daydreaming?

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I knew about Kennywood and Garfield but have never been on that ''dark ride'' I've heard mixed reactions about ''Garfield's Nightmare'' I just hope CF does that buliding justice a lot of great dark rides have been in that building I would hope to see a snoopy dark ride..hehe a friend of mine said he wouldn't be surprised to see it being theme around woodstock looking for snoopy.

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Yo, From what I was told Cedar Fair will be taking out all the themed Scooby-Doo stuff so I doubt it will be themed to snoopy and the peanuts gang...so it will mostly likely beknown as ''The Haunted Castle'' which is LAME! and WEAK! I'm peeved that Scooby is leaving too! Scooby has been at KI since it opened and I'm gonna miss him.

 

I hope The HAUNTED CASTLE is themed around Snoopy or at least The Peanuts Gang my friend got a flyer in the mail and he said the Haunted Mansion ride will be scoobyless next year.

 

Cedar Fair is known for screwing up dark rides!

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They could leave the outside of the castle exactly as it is and just call it "Chateau du Mal Voisin," which is the name of the spooky chateau that Charlie Brown and Linus get invited to stay at in the film, "Bon Voyage, Charlie Brown (and Don't Come Back!!)."

 

Then on the inside, you could just section off each room to be a scene from different specials. There could be a Great Pumpkin room, a Charlie Brown Christmas room, an Easter Beagle room, etc. Of course, none of these themes translate to a shooting game so much. The only peanuts themed shooter game I can think of would be the Snoopy vs The Red Baron, but then again, all the guns would probably need replaced since they all have a "Mystery Machine" style to them. It would be somewhat disturbing for some to travel through the ride shooting at Peanut characters (a.k.a. children).

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...If Kings Dominion gets their Tomb Raider music, so do we. And it's not even like it slipped under the radar that it was some Paramount music playing in the park, because they took it and added it to Firefall at Great America, and its not even got the same ride cycle. Like, that honestly is one thing that honestly pisses me off. I don't get worked up about much, but Kings Dominion's Crypt has every single special effect it opened with, Tomb Raider music, monkey warrior statues... It's honestly not fair, and it bothers me a lot. Just play our old Tomb Raider music. OR play Kings Dominion's Tomb Raider music! I don't care!...

 

So you are privy to the aspects of the contract between Cedar Fair and VIACOM as to exactly what would and would not be allowed on each specific individual ride at each park. I see.

 

How interesting. And how did you get this information?

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How interesting. And how did you get this information?

 

I had about a forty minute one-on-one meeting with the operations director of Rivertown the other day.

 

Besides, what kind of contract would that be? "You must remove EVERYTHING, literally, even the spiral logo on Drop Zone which wasn't even remotely related to the movie, but we made it, so you can't have it. And we have two rides themed to Lara Croft: Tomb Raider. (And this is according to the operations director of Rivertown) one may not even maintain a "tomb" theme - it can't keep a storyline even vaguely related to an adventurous expedition. The other, however, may use all the movie props, movie music, and movie images you like. Enjoy!"

 

Nice try. I almost looked like an idiot, and you, like a wise elder. Too bad I know what I'm talking about and I don't just spew out random information. :rolleyes:

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My failed attempt at humor was that I think KI has succeeded in making The Crypt COMPLETELY devoid of anything even remotely "adventurous"...now if we're talking about comatose...

 

They need to make sarcasm easier to read on the internet.

 

I know...it really is a hindrance for people like myself who speak sarcasm fluently without even thinking about it.

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Honestly people. You can't be judging if you haven't even seen what's happenening yet.

 

Actually we can...and I will show you how easy it is. In your mind, what cartoon do YOU think would be an awful choice to theme a ride too? That is how a lot of us feel about The Peanuts...to me, it wouldn't matter if Kings Island pulled off the most amazing themed ride that they had EVER done...as long as it is based on a dated cartoon it won't matter.

 

I'm welcoming Snoopy.

 

Which is 100% your right...I just wish I could feel the same way.

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What if it is rethemed to a generic GhostBlasters theme? Will it still have the same charm?

 

Not to be hating on SDatHC, but honestly all it really is is GhostBlasters with Scooby characters instead of ghosts, and they threw in a few boxes of Scooby Snacks.

 

This is the main reason I like Gobbler Getaway at Holiday World more than the Scooby dark rides...

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How interesting. And how did you get this information?

 

I had about a forty minute one-on-one meeting with the operations director of Rivertown the other day.

 

Besides, what kind of contract would that be? "You must remove EVERYTHING, literally, even the spiral logo on Drop Zone which wasn't even remotely related to the movie, but we made it, so you can't have it. And we have two rides themed to Lara Croft: Tomb Raider. (And this is according to the operations director of Rivertown) one may not even maintain a "tomb" theme - it can't keep a storyline even vaguely related to an adventurous expedition. The other, however, may use all the movie props, movie music, and movie images you like. Enjoy!"

 

Nice try. I almost looked like an idiot, and you, like a wise elder. Too bad I know what I'm talking about and I don't just spew out random information. :rolleyes:

 

a. I didn't try to make you look like an idiot. I simply asked if you were privy to the contract. And you have answered that. You are not. The person to whom you spoke is also not a party to that contract, and almost certainly has never seen it. Nor have I. I do know that it is very specific about what can be done about each ride. How do I know that? You said so. You said the gentleman told you so and I believe you (and him). But I doubt any of us, including him, knows exactly what it says about what can and cannot be done with Viacom's intellectual property left behind, under license, by CBS when it sold to Cedar Fair.

 

b. My point is this...I am quite certain Cedar Fair would not purposely cheapen and make worse a ride experience unless it was required to. And the most logical constraints placing such requirements would either be contractual obligations or problems with the ride itself. It appears to be both. That being said, I seriously doubt Cedar Fair is not playing the Tomb Raider music on the ride at Kings Island (while doing so at other parks) unless there is a constraint that requires them to do so. I cannot imagine it is a voluntary choice, especially if, as you have stated, the operations manager you spoke to is aware of the concerns.

 

That all being said, please don't ask me to explain why they no longer play orchestral/grand entrance music on International Street. Any attempt I might make to do so would probably contradict the points I have already made.

 

In any event, I was in no way attempting to make you look like an idiot (nor me a wise elder). I was explaining that contractual reasons are a very likely reason for some of the changes (and your own post about your discussions with the gentleman earlier were in accord therewith).

 

Terpy...(a good discussion is almost always thought provoking!)

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What if it is rethemed to a generic GhostBlasters theme? Will it still have the same charm?

 

Not to be hating on SDatHC, but honestly all it really is is GhostBlasters with Scooby characters instead of ghosts, and they threw in a few boxes of Scooby Snacks.

 

This is the main reason I like Gobbler Getaway at Holiday World more than the Scooby dark rides...

 

 

Wow.Dude all the Scooby-Doo dark rides are different! Have you ever been on Scooby Doo! Ghostblasters - The Mystery of the Scary? @ Six Flags Great America? It's WAAAAAAAY different than KI's, KD's and all the other paramount parks versions of the ride.Nah, I pefer ''ghostblasters'' to be themed to Scooby-Doo if there is one thing I hate it's generic themes.

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My point is this...I am quite certain Cedar Fair would not purposely cheapen and make worse a ride experience unless it was required to.

 

I'm sure there are a lot of points within that post that I could reply to, but for the sake of my often-long-winded-ness, this one will do. We could broaden that claim to many attractions (for example, the lack of lighting within Flight of Fear's queue; the fact that Kings Dominion's Flight of Fear queue houses a haunted attraction, which is never taken down through the operating season, leaving the queue full of black plywood walls with no special effect lighting in the hanger; the removal of Scooby from The Haunted Castle, though the license will not expire for quite a few years, etc). But for the sake of simplicity consider only The Crypt.

 

The faux block walls are peeling off throughout the queue. Hot glue guns are too expensive, so camouflage netting is tacked up around the peeling pieces.

 

The lighting within the ride itself is going out one bulb at a time. Certainly part of the VIACOM deal didn't say that each light fixture is owned by Paramount, and that as each light in the park goes out, it must stay out?

 

Pneumatic devices are set to "bubble" the water within the fountains inside the ride. Though a green garden hose is wrapped around the platform by the front row, the ability to get that water into the fountains is just so much work!

 

And as you know, my 'pet peeve,' the Kings Dominion Crypt music. I know it's just you playing devil's advocate (again) that one of the former Tomb Raider rides is contractually obligated to lose all its original effects, music, theme (down to the very genre of ride it may be), while the other may retain its movie score, its movie props, and its movie images. But let's suspend reality for a second and dismiss the extreme improbability of that ( :rolleyes: ) and say that's true, that Kings Dominion's Crypt is somehow allowed to keep every movie tie-in but it's name... How did Firefall at California's Great America (which, indeed, was never owned by Paramount - originally at Geauga Lake as a Western themed ride) end up with the movie music?

 

All I'm saying is, that must've been some very erratically written contract if it allowed one ride to completely retain its original theme down to the movie props that stand in the queue, while its sister attraction (technically differentiated only by the fact that it's indoors and larger) must be completely rethemed, have nothing to do with adventure or tombs, etc. Meanwhile, an attraction installed a year after all things Tomb-Raider had been Crypt-ified is allowed to use the music originated (and still in use) at Kings Dominion.

 

What a contract that must've been! I wonder what other states are allowed to use the Tomb Raider music? Perhaps it's 25 / 25, and Ohio just happens to be on the "no" list.

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What if it is rethemed to a generic GhostBlasters theme? Will it still have the same charm?

 

Not to be hating on SDatHC, but honestly all it really is is GhostBlasters with Scooby characters instead of ghosts, and they threw in a few boxes of Scooby Snacks.

 

This is the main reason I like Gobbler Getaway at Holiday World more than the Scooby dark rides...

 

I would not be surprised to see a generic ghost blasters theme, and not horribly disappointed. I rode Ghost Blasters up in Canada over the summer (POV video

), and I enjoyed it. However, even if his presence is through cheap cut-outs and what-not, Scooby-Doo would make any Ghost Blasters much better.
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